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Charles Hull
New member
Username: Dabear
Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2005
Posted From: 146.18.173.71
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 02:11 pm: | 
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I am looking at these three AATVs and trying to determine the pro's/cons of each in order to make a decision on which to go with. I will be using for duck hunting in rice fields, crossing sloughs etc and always carry a lot of folks/gear. With the vangard II and the Max IV I'll have to pull a trailer for all the gear while the Response won't have to. The max IV has 26" tires while the argo's have 22" tires. All of the tec q&a sections focus on the Max and not Argo so my assumption going in is that the argo drive train is much more bullet proof (stronger frame, solid axle and no mx tranny). However the true 6x6 ability of the max and extra ground clearance would lead to better offroad ability. So, can the argo cut it in the rice fields/sloughs/swamps and is the mx that much worse on the Max? I eagerly await your replies! |
david berger
Advanced Member
Username: Davidrrrd
Post Number: 134
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 172.170.30.47
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 03:06 pm: |
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ALTHOUGH THIS MAY SEAM TO MIS THE INPORTENT PORTION OF THE POINT IN YOUR QUESTION PLEASE JUST TRUST ME ON THIS:
FIND EXAMPLES OF THESE VEHICLE TO TRY OUT FOR YOURSELF, GET SOME TIRE KICKING TIME AND DRIVEING FAMILUARITY, GET A FEAL FOR THEM AND YOU SIMPLY WILL KNOW WICH WILL SUIT YOU BEST, YOU CAN ACOMPLISH THIS BY SERCHING THE OWNER REG IN YOUR STATE OR CLOAS STATE AND ASKING DEALERS FOR TEST DRIVE TIME AND ALSO ATTENDING SUCH GATHERINGS AS ARE DISCRIBED IN EVENTS PAGES, IE: RIDES,EVENTS,JAMBOREE'S,AND SO ON.
HERE YOU WILL FIND AN ABUNDENCE OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE HAPPY TO LET YOU TRY THERE VEHICLES OUT, IT'S ALSO GREAT EXPOTURE TO REAL WORLD MODIFICATIONS PEOPLE HAVE MADE (OR ATTEMPTED, HEH HEH) TO MAKE THERE VEHICLES BETTER OR AT LEAST UNIQUE,
KNOWONE ELSES OPINION MATTERES AS MUCH AS YOUR OWN,
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HAVE AS YOU HAVE, STOPED BY THE DISCUSSION BOARD FOR HELP DECIDEING SUCH AS CAN ONLY BE DECIDED BY YOURSELF, AND ULTIMETLY IF YOUR GOING TO SINK A TON OF MONEY INTO A VEHICLE IT HAD BETTER BE THE ONE YOU WILL BE HAPPYEST WITH, IT WOULD OTHERWISE BE A TRAGETY TO FIND YOUR SELF WITH YEARS OF PAYMENTS LEFT ON WHAT YOU COME TO FEAL WAS THE WRONG ONE!.
THAT SEAD IM WILLING TO BET MY LAST $0.50 YOU SPEND IT ON THE MAX IV, :-} |
Missouri's Max Dealer (Brandon Price)
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Username: Brandon_price
Post Number: 35
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 69.27.205.77
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 09:07 pm: |
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You can't beat the Response 8x8 for carrying cargo. That would be the one to get if it can handle your terrain. That model is one of the more helpless amphibs with the smaller tires and looong body. Cargo capacity is useless if you just get stuck everywhere.
The Max IV will go farther than any other ATV when the going gets tough. The true six wheel drive and 26" tires is just unbeatable. The 2000 and newer models have the most backseat room you could use for cargo. The factory also has a cargo carrier that mounts over the engine bay in the rear that would haul lots of equipment. Get the newer body style with splined axles and o-ring chain with the biggest engine and you can't go wrong. |
Midwest atv's #1 since 2000
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Username: Hustler
Post Number: 22
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 64.136.49.229
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 06:20 pm: |
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David couldn't of said it any better. You need to ride both and see for yourself. I can tell you to forget about the Vangard II. Now as far as the Response or Max IV, I think either might be ok for you, but you need to decide yourself. I can help you out as far as meeting you about 1/2 way to try out a Max IV. If you wanted to meet up on a Saturday, I can meet you @ Deepwater, MO. If we can get someone with a Response to show up, then you can see first hand how both will perform. This place has everything, mud, hills, water so you can see which one would do what you need it to do. |
david berger
Advanced Member
Username: Davidrrrd
Post Number: 135
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 172.209.162.249
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 09:55 am: |
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TO ADD TO BRANDONS OPINION ON MAX IV,
ID ALSO HAVE TO INCLUDE BERING EXTENTIONS AS A NESESATY WETHER YOUR GOING TO OWN TRACKS OR NOT,
THEY SIMPLY ARE THE BEST ADITION YOU COULD MAKE TO ENSURE RUGEDNESS IN DRIVETRAIN IE:MAKES IT DAMM TOUGH TO BEND AXELS. |
fred sain arkansas argo dealer (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 12.213.88.36
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 10:16 am: |
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Charles, I have used both the Vanguard, and the Response in the rice fields, in Arkansas Cash River bottoms, in fifteen years I have been stuck one time. Pulling a trailer will make any of the machines work harder. I think your best move would be the machine that is in the best condition, check axles,bearings, and tires. Those are the parts that get the most wear and tear. Any of the machines that you are looking at will do the job in the rice fields. |
Charles Hull
New member
Username: Dabear
Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2005
Posted From: 68.221.157.94
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 08:15 pm: |
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Thanks for all the replies. David as you suggest I will take a prolonged test drive of the argos in question. I do have a lot of familarity with operating the max but none with the argo and it would help make a more informed case as you suggest. Fred, thanks for your feedack on the capabilities of the argo and will be giving one a spin. Does anyone have any feedback on the maintenance difference of each? The T20 appears to require more attention (due to the # of posts in the tec section) and the diamond shifters also require attention on occasion. Any such issues on the argo side? |
david berger
Advanced Member
Username: Davidrrrd
Post Number: 136
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 172.140.55.196
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 08:56 am: |
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THE DIMOND SHIFTERS USEUALY BRAKE FROM DRIVERS AGRESEV SHIFTING, CAIR MUST BE USED IN SHIFTING ETHER MAX OR ARGO TRANS SHIFTERS, THE BRAKEABLE PINS IN THE MAX TRANY SAVE SOME OF THE GEAR DAMAGE THAT COULD RESULT FROM SUCH HARD SHIFTING, |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max dealer
Intermediate Member
Username: Fred4dot
Post Number: 76
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 216.166.168.53
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 01:09 pm: |
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Charles, Issues with the T-20 are user specific. Many use it for years with no issues at all. The shift collar nubs are designed to be the weak point as they are the least expensive and the easiest to replace. The T-20 is a precision piece of equipment and if it is used with a certain understanding of how it works, most will not have any issues. Most band breakage is due to a human body falling into the laterals or really aggressive operator movement. The T-20 works better and more smoothly, the more hours on it. Adjustments are few and far between. There is a learning curve on getting the most out of a T-20, but those who master it will find most anything else lacking. |
Dennis F. Saskowski
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Username: Sasko
Post Number: 25
Registered: 07-2005
Posted From: 24.48.103.91
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 10:57 pm: |
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CHARLES,I would like to add another star to daves posting ,thats how I selected what I have.If your a keep it simple kind of guy you might consider a max IV.The 26'' tires are great for utility,hunting etc.,some issues with aggresive trail rides but would over look that because of tires toughness. |
fred sain arkansas argo dealer (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 12.213.88.36
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 10:54 am: |
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Charles, I have been in the Argo business for almost fifteen years. Just for the record, my shop has worked on six Argo trannys, three were new machine,s that were louder than normal, three were wear and tear. That is pretty solid in my book and you do not have to baby them. You do have to be at an idle to shift. |
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