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David Bearden
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Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok I am looking at getting a max II for the farm and work but I an a little concerened. All the people around here have 4 wheelers and I would like a max if it can do the job. My question is has anyone used there max for the farm anddid it work for you ???????Dave
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Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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What do you plan to do with it on the farm? The only thing I can think of a Max won't do is go as fast as a 4 wheeler. I believe at everything else it is totally superior to a 4 wheeler. You can stay clean and dry in it, you can put a top on it, add tracks, and a blade. The skid steer allows much more maneuverability. And of course it is amphibious. So if you have lakes, ponds, or creeks like we do around here you can go right through them and don't have to use a crossing.
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Hi David, I see you are located in Missouri. I'm in Fulton, right in the center of the state near the capital of Jefferson City. I have a Max II on hand you can take for a test ride. I even have a small farm complete with mini horses so you can be sure the Max is right at home on the farm.

Four wheelers are in the main stream of ATVs and like you said, everybody has one. Max can carry a lot of cargo in the rear cargo bay, plus two passengers, and you can even add the new front rack for even more cargo room. Accessories like the windshield and canvas top make it really easy to work in the rain or cold weather. Give the Max a try before you buy what "everyone else has."
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Hey David I use my max II on our farm and it works quite well! I have used it to move hay and gravity wagons, haul feed and hay in the snow,etc.. I also run an apiary and use my max to move honeybee colonies in and out of fields for polination that are to muddy to drive anything else in. I bought my max II as a farm vehicle and am very pleased with its versatility around the farm. Recreatives really doesn't promote this aspect of their products, but they should.
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Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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David, it would be a fantastic investment of your time to go meet up with Brandon and check out the machines he has and test drive the machines. Most Max dealers have a pretty good test area that will give you a good idea of what the machine can do. I'm sure Brandon has a very good set up and he is a very knowledgeable and reputable dealer. The Max II and Max IV are both very good platfrom vehicles for adding farm accessories. I've seen guys pull log splitters, tow behind movers, have sprayers mounted, pull wagons to get the rocks out of the fields. With their low pressure on the ground they are not hard on the fields. The best advice I can give is go and drive one and ask a lot of questions.
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I use my MaxII (purchased new from Brandon Price a couple of years ago) on our small farm to haul feed, pull a small (4'x8') hay trailer, etc. It is not as fast as a 4x4 ATV, but will go a lot more places with a very light footprint.
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David Bearden
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Well thanks for the responces. I run a cow/calf operation. I want to feed and check calves with my atv. Also I have a lot of fencing to do. If I ever get done with the farm I do exvacting with a track loader. I think that a max will be like driving a minni loader???? Thanks for your responces again
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Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max dealer
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David, A max is the closest thing to a cow horse that any machine can be. One max equal three horse back helpers, four if they are green horses or helpers.
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Dan Taylor
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David,just remember it is harder getting in and out of a Max or Argo than it is getting off a four wheeler. You also need to consider that the Max,Argo ect. do not have any suspension the only thing between you and the next big bump is the tire pressure.Don't get me wrong AATV's are great but if I had a farm and had work to do I think I would look at a Polaris Ranger or Yamaha 4X4 side by side with a heated cab,windshield,winch and a dump bed. Then I would consider mounting a small 2800 volt Yamaha generator in the back.
Just my opinion my dad and I own an Argo Conquest 8X8,Polaris four wheeler and a Kubota tractor. We were going to purchase a Polaris side by side but we have thigh deep mud for about 200 yards going back into our property so the only thing that makes it most of the time is the Argo with the super tracks but even this has been stuck when the temps fall and the tracks freeze up.One last thing David most of the feedback that you have recieved is from dealers.I'm not saying anything bad about these people but make sure you give this idea a lot of thought.

Later,Dan
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Henry Gresham
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I've had a Max II for about 5 years, and have used it as a work vehicle on rural property, often towing a 2 wheel trailer with same size ballon tires. I've hauled many tons of firewood, stone & tools, etc., over tough terrain. I have a friend who's parapeligic, and he tows his airplane with a Max II. They are reliable and strong work vehicles. I don't have a 4 wheeler, so cannot compare, but the Max II has never let me down.
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Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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Dan you are absolutely correct there are posts from dealers. But every dealer that posted advised to go see the machine and go for a test drive. I think all the dealers even have a test area to put the machine through the paces. None of us want to sell a machine to anyone if it doesn't meet their needs or expectations. Because when they are unhappy then they tell people and it gives the amphibious atv a bad name. You are correct it is a good idea to consider the other side by side 4 wheel utility vehicles. My experience with the 4x4 utility dealers is they have them sitting on a showroom floor and don't take the time to go out and show what the machine can do. All the amphibious atvs can have a cab or soft top, heat, windshield and winch. There are also dump beds available and even machines made with a dump bed. And that dump bed is power operated. So yes consider the source... but better yet get out and drive a machine. David started the thread specifically about a Max II, who else to give good advice but a dealer experienced with them or an owner with a Max II.
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I worked on a ranch house remodel for a year and got to see the cattle ranch worked daily. Quite an education. They had a John Deer 4 wheeler thingy like Dan's talking about, and I agree with Dan's reasons for one of those types. I left my argo 8 wheeler up there for months and hauled field stone in it for the limestone house. Used Responses and Conquests are abundant from all the trade ins for Avengers. People mount fifth wheels in the back. But I like max II's also, if that's what you want, go for it.
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Jerry,I knew I would get this type of response from someone but I figured I would give my two cents anyway. You are correct David do ask about the Max and I would say that the best person to give the advice is someone who owns a ranch in the same area as David does but it sounds like most people use four wheelers. What you dealers should have told David was both sides of the story instead all I read was the usual Max chest thumping crap.And don't take this the wrong way either like I have said before I like the Max products. One last thing I did not have a problem here in Michigan with a dealer letting me take a demo utility 4x4 home with us to try on the property. If you are a dealer you know when someone is serious and when someone is not and the nots get sent down the road.

Later,Dan
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David,I just want to say I'm sorry if my information was not what you wanted since you only asked about a Max.

Later,Dan
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Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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Dan, You should not have to apologize to David or anyone else. You provided information and insight and that is what this forum is for. You even advised him to think it over carefully, so he wouldn't be wasting his money or be unhappy. That is a very good quality. You opinion is appreciated and valuable. I hope I didn't come off as chest thumping when discussing the Max II. I even asked what type of farm work he does? Where I live we have a lot of catfish farm and tiger prawn farms and the amphibious ability of the AATV make them ideally suited for this type of work. We also have crop farms and cattle and hog farms, and a bunch of vineyards. Depending upon the intended use is how the determination should be made. In reference to the fact everyone has some type of 4 wheeler. Well when I am out with an Argo or Max on the trailer. People always come up and ask what it is. If they already know what it is they ask where I got it and often state they didn't know they were still made. Again please post and give your opinion and insight it is appreciated.
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I currently own a four wheeler and would have to disagree with the "mounting difficulty". The four wheeler is like getting on a horse, then add a basket on the rear for some limited carrying capacity and it is like mounting a camel.

You simply slide into a six or eight wheeler. Kind of like the difference between a new bride and a working girl.
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Bayrat,they do make step through four wheelers if you are having a hard time getting your leg over the seat. I know my father has artifical hips and knees and can climb on and off of his four wheeler all day and only take a couple of hours of the Argo and I would think if you are much taller thank six feet then leg room becomes an issue in the Max or Argo.I am only 5"11 and with a heavy sef of ice fishing boots it is a chore getting in the Argo with the top and super tracks on.

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Never been in an Argo or track vehicle with that gear on me, just hip boots. I don't have a hard time mounting the four wheeler unless the rear basket is loaded but my personal experience with the Argo sans top and tracks showed it to be easier.

Now if I were twenty again it probably would not matter. Even though I work out every day these 50 year old bones can not flex as well as they used to.
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David,
My wife & I use our Argo on our tree farm. Works Great! Max & Argo each have different strengths, and a lot of advantages. Go for it!
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Well After reading the remarks it looks like the pot is getting stirred. All I want is Did you use your machine on the farm and how? The reason that I am looking is that I have always thought 6x6 were what I liked and I found a clean use one for sale much less that a new 4 wheeler.
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David Bearden
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Forgot to put my name on the last post Dave
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Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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David the basic advice is the same, take it for a test ride and see if you like it and if it will suit your needs. There are also variations to the Max II depending on engine and axles. So one may not fit your needs while a different model would be better. What is the year and model number and engine?
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Well I guess it is time to find a person with one (maxII) and try it. Is there anyone in southwest MO??
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Used my Max II this weekend to haul firewood out of the marsh - temps around 40 degrees. I had a John Deer poly dump trailer loaded with about 400 lbs of wood and 2 people in the Max. Crawled through soggy, uneven marsh with a few loads of wood. My passenger was a 4 wheeler owner. I asked him for his honest opinion - could his Honda Foreman have done the job. He stated, probably, but with a whole lot more tire slip and he would have gotten covered with mud. We crawled through with nary a slip and we were high, dry and clean - the Max wasn't. You be the judge.
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I'm in SW MO, but sorry to say, I don't own a Max II. My beast is an '05 Argo 6x6 Bigfoot, which I use on my farmland all the time. I love it because it doesn't tear up the land like a 4x4 quad would, it doesn't make ruts in the ground leading to soil degradation, and when it's muddy, I have all the traction in the world.
Here soon, I am planning on buying a tow-behind tiller to help me make a 12 square acre garden, and then I'll be using my Bigfoot all the time up on my farmland. Currently, I just use it for fun, and for cleaning up my property, ie...de-rocking, haying, cutting and moving all dead trees to a central area, things of that sort.
If you would like a demo ride in my Bigfoot, just send me an email. I would be happy to show you my beast.
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12 acres is one heck of a "garden."
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Yeah, it is, but I'm looking at growing a large quanity of corn, for producing my own ethanol fuel source.

Anyone happen to know how to modify a B&S 18 hp motor to burn ethanol?
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I heard that the IRL is going to be using a 5 or 10 percent mixture of it this year and next year they will be switching to 100% Ethanol they say it's a cleaner burning fuel and also gives them more power they have already broken a couple of track records with it just using the small mixture. Maybe you can ask someone who works on one of the teams surely one of the teams has a web site.
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How much is one of these tow behind tillers?
and what size are you planning on buying?
I was wondering if you might be better off buying a tractor with a plow and disc or whatever implements you would need for 12 acres. 12 acres
is a lot of land to be tilling. 208 feet x 208 feet is one square acre. thats 43,264 square feet now multiply that by 12= 519,168 square feet if my calculations are right. and I never was very good at math.
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Howard,
I'm not going to start off with trying to work up a whole 12 acres for a "garden", but instead I have a 12 acre plot staked out to become a garden area. In about another year, I am planning to at least till up an acre or two a year, till I build up this whole 12 acre plot.

As far as a tow behind tiller goes, I found one from Northern Tool Co. that runs just a little under $1000. I am also going to be buying an 8x8 Avenger for full time farm use, so I can use my 6x6 Bigfoot for other projects.
We much rather like the idea of using tow-behind machinery to use with our Argo, for several reasons...because of safety, better on our backs, better gas economy, not getting stuck in muddy areas, does not tear up the land or create ruts, and easier for me to repair, just to name a few.
Granted, a 12 acre garden is a very large garden, but then we may not use it all for planting. But the plan is, once it is tilled up and ready for seed, if we need that large a garden, it will be easy to get it prepped and started, in the next pre-season.
There's just way too many things these machines are capable of doing on a farm, ie...
logging, bee keeping, livestock feeding, picking produce, garden preparation & maintenance, spraying, seeding, well drilling, etc...not too mention, hunting and fishing.

Other tow behind machinery we are looking at purchasing over the next 5 years are...
Seeder/spreaders, lawn sweeper, drum style spike aerator, sprayer with booms, chipper/shredder, and a brushhog, + a few specialized carts for produce picking.
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I thought my Avenger ran to fast in low and to slow in high.My bigfoot creeps better than the Avenger and will outrun it in high.For a pull behind tiller you have to be able to run very slowly.Maybe a lower geared trans will be offered,I know the higher ratio is available .
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It would also depend upon what kind of tiller/cultivator we choose to buy, for use in this manner. The land we plan on tilling/cultivating is bottom land which has already been de-rocked, and is very nutrient rich soil. It isn't gonna take much to till it all up, and prep it for seed. It's also an area that we can easily irrigate, which is why we chose the area to become a "garden" spot.
It's a large field in a bowl shaped valley which gets good water runoff, and an excellent amount of daily sunlight, and is away from prying eyes, so others can't see it from the road, and steal our produce if we are gone. Dry weather irrigation is possible because in the lowest section of this field runs a stream that has never gone dry, which is fed by an underground river.
As far as I'm concerned, the original thread was about the use of AATV's on farms. Hopefully, the info I have given will show others what these wonderfully capable machines are able to do on a farm. Besides personal preference and capabilities of each model available today, I really don't think it would matter which machine you liked the best as long as it could do the job. Wether you like a Max or an Argo, both are extremely capable machines. I just prefer Argo's.
Our planned uses for our Argo's are...
Tilling our garden,
plowing snow, gravel, and dirt,
picking produce & hauling it around,
spraying, seeding, mowing, feeding our animals,
fence maintenance, corralling or counting our livestock, pulling logs and transporting firewood,
bee keeping, hunting & fishing, and general land maintenance.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There are 2 or 3 trans ratios for the avenger now, their web site mentions a new 3.3 ratio for tracks..
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Runningwstorms
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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The cool thing here in SW Missouri lately, is the fact that our winters have become more and more milder each year, to the point where we really don't have the need to run tracks. Heck, the most snow we got last year was about 1/2" which melted off the very next day.
Buying tracks down here would just be a waste of money, unless a new Ice Age hit all of a sudden, lol.
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Missouri's Max and Argo Dealer
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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

All Argos execpt Avenger have three trans available. We usually get the M gear for 6x6s and G gear for 8x8s.
H - high gear
M - medium gear
G - granny low

The Avenger first came with a trans similar to the M in other Argos. That is probably the one Eddie is running and others have had similar trouble. The new 3.3 is like the G gear. They also changed the trans clutch to help on power.
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George"Bubba"Hunt
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Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 12:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Howdy from ice land. It does my old heart good to see postings on aatv's used for something other than swamp running.I thought for a while that I was the only old lazy gasser that done it.
I used my old heavy,slow, Hydro-Traxx again this year to snake 6 cords of wood up out of the draw on my place. Usually at 3/4 of a cord at a load.
It was far too steep to use my big 4-wheeler.
So far nothing has broke. Some of the hidden stumps provided for a few thrills though. The ground was so steep that I was forced to use my seat-belt to stay in.
I know some of you out there are in need of some good old justification to go down and plunk your hard earned cash on an aatv. So, I have decided to share a few ideas on my blog site. go to www.shadowmountainoutdoors.com to check it out.
Bubba
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Bayrat
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Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 08:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bubba,

Great blog and even greater cabin! I am jealous of that lifestyle but curious as to the conveniences available to you. How far out in the wilderness is your lodge? It appears you have vehicle access.

Sorry for getting off-topic here guys.
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Bayrat
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Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 08:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Almost forgot to explain my experience with a Max dealer.

Jerry Nuss worked extensively with me to ensure I ended up with the vehicle best suited to my needs. In fact, I was initially set on purchasing an AATV until Jerry suggested I really needed to determine my uses so that I did not regret my purchase, something I should have done ahead of time but emotions get in the way once you ride in one of these machines.

At any rate, since I don't have water to contend with nor do I tow equipment through deep mud, I went with the Polaris Ranger 6x6. I do however second guess at times not buying a Max IV from Jerry, he gave me a fantastic price.

Here is my 2003 unit (hope it works).

http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mvc001s2ks.jpg
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Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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I think I have talked more people out of buying an amphibious ATV than buying one. Maybe it doesn't do me any good for sales in the short run but I hope over time it will be for everyone's benefit. They can be a little tough for people to climb in and out out. They can also be overkill for what a person wants. For basic hauling equipment around on a farm or a site without some tough terrain they may not be what a person wants. I just hate seeing them for sale on Ebay used with very few hours. I like to see people get them and really get out and work the machine and enjoy it. The people that need one and use it become true believers and advocates. Thanks for the positive vote of confidence Don.
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Bayrat
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jerry, I tell it like it is. But you are welcome!

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