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Sean McConnell
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Username: Bookm
Post Number: 43
Registered: 09-2005
Posted From: 69.159.216.86
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 12:34 pm: | |
I made the "Subject" pretty general so as to utilize this thread for any future questions I may have, but this time I'm just asking about a Drive Belt. Before I tear down my Roughy for a thorough resto' I want it in good working condition first. I have made all the chain adjustments, and have replaced the secondary drive belts, but the primary Constant Velocity Drive Belt is no longer produced (Gates #9803-2422).
Gates was good enough to provide me with the dimensions, should I find another company that could offer a suitable replacement:
46.4" outside length
15/16" top width
22 degree angle
Any help providing this last piece to my puzzle would be greatly appreciated.
Sean |
philip w.cox
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Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 317
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 199.246.2.9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 04:40 pm: | |
Hi Sean, Did you call Richard? W. Philip Cox |
Sean McConnell
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Username: Bookm
Post Number: 44
Registered: 09-2005
Posted From: 69.159.216.86
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 03:57 pm: | |
Not yet. I was hoping to get a part number and pick one up locally (Ontario) so I could do a proper test drive this weekend. I've got a local industrial suplier looking through his books, too.
I'll ship in from the states if necessary, if local search fails. I'll use the old belt for now if I have to. |
Sean McConnell
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Username: Bookm
Post Number: 45
Registered: 09-2005
Posted From: 65.93.28.52
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 03:08 pm: | |
I received a belt number from Carlisle Power Transmission (nothing from Gates or Dayco). I sent them the dimensions:
46.4" outside length
15/16" top width
22 degree angle
... and I got a close match:
46.6 O.C.,
.906 top width
22 degree angle
... using Carlisle Part No. 1422V460
Hopefully this will help someone else who Google's "Roughrider" looking for a belt.
Took'r for a spin yesterday... What a HOOT! Just need to setup the carb and she should run like new. The '72 Hirth 292 was a real bear to fit, but was worth the effort.
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Sean McConnell
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Username: Bookm
Post Number: 46
Registered: 09-2005
Posted From: 65.93.28.52
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 03:12 pm: | |
Here's a few pics to keep you restorers motivated,
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4900/rough1zq7.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8048/rough2vc7.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1868/rough4le6.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7510/rough5du6.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9073/rough6cq9.jpg
A shot of the transplanted Hirth peeking out:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8150/rough7yf2.jpg
A VERY tight fit! A groove was cut in the recoil case to accept the drive chain. Notches had to be ground out of the corners of the fan case, to fit with the frame structure. And the whole seat frame had to be raised 1" with new square tubing due to the added engine height.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7617/rough8uz4.jpg
A additional engine mount was used to prevent the engine from moving. You can see how the chains, sprockets, and frame fought me every step of the way:
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/241/rough9ka9.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3973/rough10of6.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2553/rough11kf4.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6634/rough12vq0.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6905/rough13sy8.jpg
This shot shows how the drivetrain works. You can see the CV belt driving the secondary clutch which has pulleys on both ends. The spring-loaded belt tensioners are withdrawn when a steering handle pulls the tensioner via a cable. Further action on the steering handle actuates the drum brakes seen directly beside the drive pulleys. Very simple and pretty clever!
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/971/rough16qw0.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1926/rough15vh7.jpg |
Eddie Chace
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Username: Wildtexasranger
Post Number: 11
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 71.51.59.234
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 06:50 am: | |
Hey Sean,
nice job |
Ray Kohls
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Username: Bw6
Post Number: 48
Registered: 02-2007
Posted From: 74.110.30.116
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 03:34 pm: | |
Hey Sean, nice job. I live in London not too far from you, where do you ride? Do you have reverse in the Roughrider? I am interested in the simple drive arrangement. Is there a website about the Roughrider? |
Sean McConnell
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Username: Bookm
Post Number: 47
Registered: 09-2005
Posted From: 69.159.216.86
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 05:59 pm: | |
So far, I've just ridden in the field behind my house, LOL. I'm just returning to the hobby after a 20 yr. absence. I bought the Roughrider and an old Argo a couple years ago, but am just getting the time to work on them now. I'll probably have it in London soon as my father-in-law (retired mechanic and hovercraft nut) lives there and will be tuning my carb for me.
I have been told that there was a "reverse" option for the Roughrider, but I don't have it and can't see how to fab something up. So I'm just lucky it's light enough to lift at the corners ;)
There is no Roughrider website that I know of. All Google searches point to Route6x6.
It's funny to see all the features that made the Roughrider helpless to compete against the likes of Argo (New Hamburg), which started making their AATV's not far from the McKee Plant (in Elmira). No reverse, two occupants max., a lightweight frame, fibreglass body (which acts as a structural member), lightweight #40 chains, etc., etc. all spelled doom for Roughrider, as well as most of the other AATV manufacturers of the late 60's.
But the one good thing about the Roughrider (being manufactured by a farm equipment company) is the fact that almost every part on the thing can be bought at your local hardware store. Belts, pulleys, sprockets, bearings, etc., are all standard parts at your local TCS store.
My Serial No. is #554. If anyone knows how to relate that number to the manufacture date, please let me know, so I can stop saying "196?" all the time =)
I'll store your email addy and let you know of any riding spots I find. Please fill me in on any spots you know about. I'm just about to buy a descent trailer, so I'll be able to travel soon.
Sean |
Ray Kohls
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Username: Bw6
Post Number: 49
Registered: 02-2007
Posted From: 74.110.30.116
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 06:55 pm: | |
Hi Sean, good to hear from you. Nice to see that you're back in the saddle, all work and no play... I read with interest you're previous posts to learn more about the Roughrider. An easy way to get reverse in a 2 stroke, is Bombardier's RER (push-button electronic reverse)that they use in a lot of their sleds. The motor simply runs backwards. Also chaincase reverse may work.
We have about 100 acres or so of fine riding with a 7 acre pond to boot in Strathroy, let me know when you want to ride. Also I checked out Putnam, they have a river that goes through it and trails for many miles on both sides that a lot of ATV's run, it looked like fun, will try it out soon.
Its interesting how different companies take out the competition, Argo took out Roughrider and probably others, Max took out Attex and others. Darwin's theory of AATV's.....survival of the toughest. I'm new to the sport, been a lurker for a few years but finally decided to build my own. I call it a "Bushwacker", went for a short ride today but its still too cold to really enjoy. Looking forward to meeting you Sean. |
Sean McConnell
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Username: Bookm
Post Number: 48
Registered: 09-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 10:17 am: | |
Ahh yes, "Bushwacker" rang a bell and I found your thread.
http://www.route6x6.com/discus4/messages/5/21832.html
I see our machines are virtually identical!! NOT!!! LOL
Would definitely like to spend some time riding with you. I'd feel more comfortable testing out my antique knowing I'd have a tow if something broke 
My wife has friends in Strathroy (Henry & Beth... she does custom uppolstry at their rural property. Perhaps you know them. I could drop her off to visit there, then go play with our toys! hehe
I wish I had my 440cc Argo ready, but it's in pieces right now, so the Roughy will have to do for now. The weather's getting nice so I'll try to get my carb figured out this weekend. Will be sure to stay in touch.
Sean |
Ray Kohls
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Username: Bw6
Post Number: 50
Registered: 02-2007
Posted From: 74.110.30.116
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 07:06 pm: | |
Sean, what a small world, Beth Vriends lived right down the road from me on Scotchmere Dr. I had a 25 acre farm that I sold a couple of years ago. Beth did the re-uppolstry job on my Cessna seats a few years back, go figure. The 100 acres riding place is only a 5 minutes from Beth's place so you could certainly drop your wife off for a visit. Don't worry about Roughy, I will show you a drive system that is very similar to the Roughrider with a reverse, you might be able to incorporate it into your machine. It has 3 belts as well and no transmission, I think you will find it interesting.
Ray |
Sean McConnell
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Username: Bookm
Post Number: 52
Registered: 09-2005
Posted From: 69.159.216.86
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 08:44 am: | |
Look, I KNOW I left with 6 wheels!!!
Took a test drive last night (about 4 miles). I got home just before dark, so I couldn't go look for the missing tire. I went out on my kids dirt-bike this morning and found it about a mile from my house, in the middle of a farmers field. Funny thing is, I did plenty of rough driving AFTER the point it came off!.. and I didn't even notice the difference, LOL, until I went to climb out of a ditch and I couldn't get "bite" from the left side. I guess 40 yr.old shear pins aren't up to the task anymore! hehe ;)
Folks sure were crazy back in the 60's! This thing takes some skill to drive. It's quite fast and bouncy. The steering has drive/neutral/brake positions for each side. When accelerating, adjusting one handle to the neutral position will steer gently in that direction. The problem is, if you release the throttle the machine tends to now steer in the opposite direction (due to the free-wheeling side vs. the fully engaged side. Of course you can counter this effect by either apply more handle bar motion to engage the brake, OR adjust BOTH handles to the neutral position when decellerating. All 'n all a lot to think about when clippin' along at 20-30 mph!
With a little more practice, I should be able to manage just fine. At slow speeds the thing functions wonderfully and is a lot of fun. I'll be doing more agressive tests after installing new shear pins on all 6 axles.
Cheers,
Sean |
liflod
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Username: Liflod
Post Number: 139
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 151.201.211.103
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 09:05 am: | |
That's the same thing that happened with my first Attex. We were heading up hill and level for a while and when I started down hill and hit the brakes a little, it nose dived. I asked my friend to look on his side if anything was wrong and he said I lost a wheel. "Whaddyamean?" It's gone! A five minute walk back and we found it ! |
Len Cater
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Post Number: 39
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 72.138.89.77
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 09:07 pm: | |
And the world gets a bit smaller. I bought my first Argo (Bigfoot) from a family that lives on Scotchmere Dr. Maybe it was you Ray? We grew out of it pretty fast, bought a Conquest, and now have an Avenger. My cousin bought the bigfoot, so it is still in the family. |
Ray Kohls
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Username: Bw6
Post Number: 61
Registered: 02-2007
Posted From: 74.110.30.116
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 08:15 pm: | |
Hi Len, it is indeed a small world, but I never had a Bigfoot, I still hadn't seen the light when I lived there and was driving ATV's. LOL |
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