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justin cogdill
Junior Member
Username: Max2muddin
Post Number: 19
Registered: 01-2007
Posted From: 64.6.44.2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 02:14 am: | 
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i just fixed my max 2 two days ago and already problems have started yay! theres a very loud popping noise i know around what it is i know it has to do with the chains or sprokets..... when i hear this noise my jaw tightens my eyes get a little bigger cause im hoping that i didnt just break a chain and get stuck in an almost imposible area to get my 6x6 back out of! im tired of wondering if my chains are going to break on a trip. i have to take it easy on my max because of this i just recently had my sprokets filed and it helped but now its back to the same condition of loud popping noises.... any suggestions on what to do? |
Jerry R. Nuss
Senior Member
Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 487
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.244.211.161
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 07:51 am: |
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What year is your Max? What Model is it, 450T or 500T? Are the chains in alignment from the transmission to the jackshafts and from the jackshafts to the axle? I see some that get improperly adjusted and the popping noises start. Have the chains been replaced? If so when and with what brand and type of chain? If you had the sprockets filed I suspect the chains are worn out. Do the sprockets move around on the axles in any direction? Is a sprocket bent?
If everything is in alignment, adjusted properly, and not worn out, you should not get the popping noise. Unfortunately the problems you are having can be common with a machine that has been purchased used and someone beat the machine up by riding it hard and not maintaining it.
That doesn't mean it is not fixable it just means a person may need to go through everything inspecting, replacing, repairing, and adjusting. |
david berger
Senior Member
Username: Davidrrrd
Post Number: 509
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 72.85.143.149
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 09:22 am: |
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where dose the noise come from, it it from the back?
my fraim rails in the back ajasent to the rear adjusters bent inward at the tops prity sevearly causeing constant problems with alignment ect.ect.
you may have to srenthin your fraim if thats the problem, if your rear adjusters springs worn out or the teeth are sheared and letting the adjuster loosen up you might want to get richard clarks upgrade parts to prevent the adjustment failure's.
i strenthend the fraim with 16+1/2" long plate welded from the fraim suport twards the upright jack shaft tower to suport the fraim next to the rear adjusters, it fits on outside of the fraim in an area that is bumped out on a max II body,
i guess the common chain lenth for a maxII is 100 links, if you remove one link it will work ok but once thats loose it is defanetly time to replace the chain!
otherwise your sprokets will be destroyed! |
philip w.cox
Advanced Member
Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 293
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 199.246.2.9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 08:16 pm: |
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Jerry- Thanks for taking the time to offer such good advice. " it can be common on a used beat up machine" You say a person needs to go through everthing inspecting and repairing, You are right again, but you needed to say( A knowledgeable person) or at least a person willing to make themselves knowledgeable. If you have a sprocket that needs "filing"-you have a sprocket that needs replacing AND the chain that made it that way. Recently a guy posted often wanting advice on a wrecked machine that he bought used and wanted to fix up cheap. He said that he turned his sprockets backwards! His last post was that he was buying a new Rhino cause our
machines needed to much maintenance. W.Philip Cox |
Bob Eells
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Username: Reells
Post Number: 5
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 72.35.50.20
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 12:22 pm: |
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Does anyone have any experiences with removing the drive pulley (torque converter) off of the engine? Before I attempt this I wanted to see if anyone has done this before and what should or should not be done? Thanks. |
Jerry R. Nuss
Senior Member
Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 490
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.244.211.161
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 01:31 pm: |
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What year of machine and engine? The more modern ones are fairly easy with a straight shaft and keyway. They are held on by a single bolt and the crankshaft is coated in an antiseize grease. You may need to loosen the engine just to give you some clearance between the body and engine to remove the drive unit. You remove the belt, remove the bolt, and pull the unit off by hand or give it a light tap with a block of wood. |
Bob Eells
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Username: Reells
Post Number: 6
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 72.35.50.20
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 01:51 pm: |
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Jerry,
It is a 2000 MaxII with 18hp briggs. |
Jerry R. Nuss
Senior Member
Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 491
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.244.211.161
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 02:22 pm: |
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Bob, That is an easy one. Just pull the bolt, remove the belt and slide it off. You may need to loosen the engine mounts and move the engine to the right to get enough space between the engine and the body. The bolt is a standard thread so just remove it normally. |
justin cogdill
Member
Username: Max2muddin
Post Number: 20
Registered: 01-2007
Posted From: 64.6.44.2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 03:48 pm: |
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sorry my internet has been down for a little bit i havent been able to respond...... my max is a 1996 it is a 450t i think.... i cant really tell where the noise is coming from but i know i was riding it yesterday and the rear driver side chain broke i fixed it and now this morning the front driver side chain broke..... how much are these worth i think im just going to sale it... im tired of working on it its not even fun anymore...... but the sprokets do have play in them..... |
liflod
Advanced Member
Username: Liflod
Post Number: 130
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 24.3.232.162
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 05:43 pm: |
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It needs new chains and you are adusting the chains too tight. Even if you buy cheap chain, its going to be better than what you have. Make sure you get all 6 wheels off the ground and rotate them while you are adjusting the chains. |
justin cogdill
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Username: Max2muddin
Post Number: 21
Registered: 01-2007
Posted From: 64.6.44.2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 06:53 pm: |
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i bought all new chains for it they are cheap but like you said there better than the old ones(i bought them from tractor supply co.) my chains are breaking at the link connectors... why do you have to have all six tires off the ground? when i put all those chains on about month and a half ago i had all tires on the ground is this bad? i noticed one thing that seems like its bad on the chains and could be whats breaking them when they rotate as it moves across the top of the sproket its very very tight while on the bottom side of the sproket its loose..... |
Jerry R. Nuss
Senior Member
Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 492
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.244.211.161
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 07:07 pm: |
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You answered your own question. The wheels need to be off the ground so the chains can be adjusted evenly. If they are put on as you described with a tight top and a loose bottom, you will break them and tear up the sprockets. There is a set number of links that must be used for each string of chain. I believe 102 links for your machine. The machine needs to be jacked up so all 6 wheels are off the ground. A lot of guys use a couple of old milk crates under the lower tub. It is better to have the chains a little loose than too tight.
As you describe your machine now and how it is set up.. it will tear itself apart. You can't blame the AATV for this. These machines have stood the test of time but do require some knowledge and maintenance as Phil had mentioned earlier up the thread. Stick with it and we can get you straightened up. I'd recommend pulling all the chains and counting the links right now. Don't put them back on until you consult the discussion board and give us feedback to the number of links. |
justin cogdill
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Username: Max2muddin
Post Number: 22
Registered: 01-2007
Posted From: 64.6.44.2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 06:37 pm: |
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Ok this may take some time but ill get on it.....could that chains being to tight cause the popping? |
Jerry R. Nuss
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 495
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.244.211.161
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 07:44 pm: |
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Absolutely it could cause the popping. The chain is trying to climb the sprocket. Unfortunately you can't just lift the machine up to adjust the chains because of how they are all connected. You need to pull the master link then get them back on with the wheels up off the ground so the axles can spin freely. They should be even then. After that you can adjust them with the adjusters. Remember to count the links to be sure you have the right number. When you have the chains off you can inspect the sprocket mounting bolt to the axle. See how much it moves around and if the holes are ovaled out. If they are not too bad you can just add a little tnsion to the bolt. |
david berger
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Username: Davidrrrd
Post Number: 510
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 70.19.206.78
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 10:05 am: |
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OOH BULL JERRY YOU CERTANLY CAN JUST LIFT THE MACHINE AND ROTATE THE WHEELES AND ADJUST EM, ECT.. |
Jerry R. Nuss
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 498
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.244.211.161
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 10:37 am: |
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I think he has more to do than just loosen or take up slack in the chains. |
Jerry R. Nuss
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 499
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.244.211.161
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 12:10 pm: |
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I reread my post that David calls me out on. He is correct in you can just get the wheels up so the axles spin or can be turned by hand and you adjust the chains wih the wheels off the ground. When you push or pull the adjuster the axles need to be able to rotate freely.
What I wrote in the second sentence my have been misleading. I did not intend to imply that everyone needs to remove the chains to adjust them. I apologize if it confused anyone especially a person with no knowledge of the machines and they want to apply it to their application.
So in a normal situation that is how the chains are adjusted. Get it off the ground so the wheels can turn and use the tensioners.
On Justin's machine I may be over thinking it but he is ready to give up and sell the machine. If he gets it up and adjusted and it pops again or a chain breaks he may sell the machine and have the impression that the amphibious ATVs are junk.
He states has ran it with the chains out of adjustment and the chains have been breaking. He has a popping noise that is driving him crazy. He has previously filed the axles because of popping and the popping has returned. He also stated the sprockets are loose.
So there are a couple of options: 1. Jack it up and use the adjusters then put it back down and drive it. If the popping went away then you have it. 2. Get the chains off and count the links, and inspect them for crack and damage and proper number. Check the sprockets for further damage and if the are loose, spin the axles and see if they spin freely. Check the tensioners to make sure they move up and down easily. Check the tensioner pads for wear.
I am trying to save him the future anguish and frustration by spending the time and making sure everything is serviceable and getting it back together and adjusted properly. |
philip w.cox
Advanced Member
Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 298
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 199.246.2.9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 12:57 pm: |
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Jerry, Regarding our mutual friend Mr. Berger. Please ignore him! You are saying all of the right things to help a young guy get an old and well used machine running reliabley. Rule one, jack the machine up to check or adjust chains! Mr, Berger is not so young (except compared to me), he is certainly not inexperienced, he is very knowledgeable in all aspects of repairing and maintaining these machines. Just because he can and has straightened a bent axle on the trail and driven it home( probably while cooking his lunch on the exhaust manifold and running the throttle with a string) does not mean that this is good advice for a novice. Dear David, with great respect, you did get me ouy of my upside down machine after all. W.Philip Cox |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 245
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 71.153.162.252
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 02:03 pm: |
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Let's start a Culinary Thread, recipes cooked in the aatv's. I've thought about throwing a baked potato in the argo. Hmm, make that perforated grill a hinged oven door  |
david berger
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Username: Davidrrrd
Post Number: 512
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 72.85.143.149
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 04:41 pm: |
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yes, MRE's cook up nicely in maxII engine cooling exaust vents.
they double as great hand warmeres as well!
a Culinary Thread might be a nice addition. |
momobigfoot
Junior Member
Username: Momobigfoot
Post Number: 17
Registered: 09-2006
Posted From: 70.241.197.116
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 05:34 pm: |
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Cold hamberger on a paper plate on my exhaust mufler cover after long ride wormed up nicely |
philip w.cox
Advanced Member
Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 301
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 199.246.2.9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 09:23 pm: |
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I hate when nobody else will ask the Question and I can't remember the answer! David used the term M.R.E. s. -I saw him use the term a long time ago and he gave the meaning of the acronym. Does anyboby else know? Meals?ready???W.Philip Cox |
Jerry R. Nuss
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 506
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 70.106.200.61
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 09:27 pm: |
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Meal, ready to eat |
philip w.cox
Advanced Member
Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 302
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 199.246.2.9
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Thanks Jery. I often thought about putting a pizza on the engine cover of a Max 4 but I was afraid it would get too hot over the muffler. I should try it. W.Philip Cox |
liflod
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Username: Liflod
Post Number: 132
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 151.201.211.103
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 09:44 am: |
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Hey Justin,
Any luck with the chain adjustments?
Lance |
justin cogdill
Member
Username: Max2muddin
Post Number: 24
Registered: 01-2007
Posted From: 64.6.44.2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 12:17 am: |
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sorry to all been on vacation at port aransas (ocean area in texas) but today i took the max for a spin without the seat and noticed exact spot of the popping noise i checked all the chains one chain does need to be pulled and adjusted but everything else looks right....(i guess) the popping is coming from one of the bigger chains and by what i can see, what is happening is the chain is trying to continue to follow the sprocket on the rotation and as it does so it pops very loudly when it gets forced off of the sprocket to continue to the next..... like it may be to loose....? does this stuff by chance make any sence? |
Jerry R. Nuss
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 513
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.244.221.20
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 10:56 am: |
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Sounds like you may have a deformed tooth on that sprocket. It may be a little wide and is jaming and unjaming when the link tries to leave it. You could pull that chain off and give that sprocket a checking over.
Try to adjust the loose drive chain by just jacking it up so the wheels are off the ground and adjusting it with the tensioners. |
justin cogdill
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Username: Max2muddin
Post Number: 25
Registered: 01-2007
Posted From: 64.6.44.2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 11:15 pm: |
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ok ive taken another look at it it looks like the jack shaft sproket is a little uneven with the sprocket underneath it.... is that possible? the chain pops only when i turn to the right and when i climb hills..... ok ill look cause i know that sproket was somewhat chewed up |
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