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preston blake
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Username: Prestony889
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Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 164.106.96.177
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 10:55 am: | 
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I have a argo concquest with 22'' runamucks and it does not have very much tracktion at all, ecspecialy when its wet. It also dose not climb out of ponds very well.I was wondering if I got the standard tracks put on if would help me in these areas, and how much it would help me |
Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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Post Number: 388
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.124.9.211
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 01:34 pm: |
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Preston do you have a 6x6 or 8x8 conquest? And what year is it? You might do better with some more aggressive tires. And the guys that are more familiar with your machine by knowing the year and if it will accept some larger tires should be able to give you some good advice. I am not fond of retrofitting tracks because it can be expensive, but if you machine already has the bearing or axle extensions and you can find some tracks it may be workable. I think some more aggressive tires would help with the traction in the mud issue. Tracks would also, but there is also a trade off in the water. Getting out of the water can be a problem no matter what tires you have. If the front end is not being suported at the tires and the lower body is touching then you won't be able to exit the water. I would consider larger more aggressive tires if possible and a winch if you don't have one. |
preston blake
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 01:52 pm: |
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I have a 1995 8x8 20h.p. liquid cooled kaw. conquest with front and rear bearing extentions. I want the best thing for soft mud, tracks or new tires? |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 166
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 70.234.158.147
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 01:57 pm: |
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He won't need anything for tracks, conquest will already have rear axle extensions suggested for wide tracks/wheel spacers. Tracks won't propel in the water. Worn runamuks with 3+ psi won't do much on land or water. I'm a fan of the new 24" argo tire off the frontier. |
Len Cater
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 207.164.158.170
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 03:17 pm: |
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The new tire looks nice on the frontier. For conquest, you should have bought my rubber track I sold. It has ribbings on it not unlike a rawhide which helps propel through mud and water. This past weekend, we went through some bogs we have never been able to get through with just rawhides. The plastic tracks won't help much in the mud as they will lose traction and spin. |
Missouri's Max and Argo Dealer
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Post Number: 152
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Posted From: 69.27.205.19
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 06:17 pm: |
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I have a '97 Conquest here with brand new Runamuk tires. I had it in the pond where I run every other amphib and this Conquest was lame as it could be. I could have rode a bicycle out of that pond easier than that 8x8. That was on the shallow easy side of the pond. I can take the Avenger or Frontier on the steepest, muddiest bank on the other end of the pond and they just blast right out like they're on concrete. The Rawhide III tires might do a little bit better for pulling the Conquest out of a muddy pond. I think a combo of a heavy front end and low ground clearance will burden the Conquest even with better tires. The machine I rode has the 18" super tracks and that is why I installed the Runamuks instead of Rawhides. I haven't run the tracks yet. If you install Rawhides, your track option is gone. It does not look like the Frontier tires will fit any older 8x8 Argo. |
Rogersmith
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Post Number: 167
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 08:00 pm: |
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"does not look like the Frontier tires will fit any older 8x8 Argo"
What makes you think that, Brandon, other than track clearance. |
Missouri's Max and Argo Dealer
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 12:06 am: |
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Roger, I will try it tomorrow to know for sure. It does not look like the 24" Frontier tire will fit on the Conquest as the axles are to close together. I'll try two of them and see if there is any clearance between tires. It would be a nice upgrade to get rid of those Runamuks. |
Rogersmith
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Post Number: 168
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 07:16 am: |
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It'll be close Brandon, but they should have a hair more clearance than my tires and wheels.. from what I measured. |
Missouri's Max and Argo Dealer
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Post Number: 154
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 06:14 pm: |
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The Frontier tires are a perfect fit on the Conquest. It almost looks like ODG intended it to be that way. I bet they would take the older 8x8s a lot more places than the Runamuks and swim better than the Rawhides. Another post under "Frontier Tires" says they are $126 each. I have not heard an official price or availability yet, but that is fairly reasonable for a custom Argo tire. I might put a set on a Max II. The 21" Rawhide swims well but isn't big enough for deep mud. The 22" Rawhide III is good in mud but swims so slow it's hard to call it amphibious. The Frontier tire looks like a winner for any amphib.
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Rogersmith
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Post Number: 170
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 06:53 pm: |
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Thanks for the official fitment test, Brandon. I'm curious to see a maxII with them, and of course an argo 8. The wider k-rim beads would be a little more exposed, but otherwise many good things might happen, like mud hole and water performance, + an inch more ground clearance. Would affect gearing a little. |
Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 09:18 pm: |
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I would also like to see them on a Max II. |
preston blake
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 10:57 pm: |
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Len Cater,
Whare did you buy that rubber track kit you were talking about? and how much?
Missouri's Max and Argo Dealer,
Those tires look like they would make a world of a differance, I also have a max Iv with 26" tires and that would climb out of anything and the 24" Frontier tire looks alot more comeparable to those then the sh*t% 22" Runamuks i have on the argo
Anybody,
I was also wondering what weight of oil I should put in the argo engine, Ill be running it in (30F-90F) tempatures. And also if i should change the transmission oil and what kind goes in there? Thanks |
Missouri's Max and Argo Dealer
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Username: Brandon_price
Post Number: 157
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Posted From: 69.27.205.34
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 09:47 pm: |
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The Kawasaki engine takes 10w-30 or 10w-40 for temps -4 F to 95. Also SAE 30 for 32 degrees to 95.
Your trans takes 30 oz. of 80w-90 gear lube HYPOY-C. Change after the first 20 hours and every 100 hours after that. As you refill the trans, check the level with the dipstick. |
Erich Kelter
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Registered: 11-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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Brandon, quick question, regarding the transmission oil, I know the "good book" says Hypoy-C 80W90, what about a synthetic 80W90 gear oil?. I can't for the life of me find a cross reference to Hypoy-C oil. Thanks. |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 171
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 07:36 am: |
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I don't know what the hypoy-c is, I did find it at a Pep Boys auto parts, Castrol brand. Have since changed to synthetic, don't remember if the synthetic was hypoy compatible.
One thing comes to mind, on Nissan trucks they say not to use GL-5 gear lube in the trans, to use GL-4. The GL-5 will eat the soft metal in the syncronizers. The argo trans has a bushing on a reverse gear and I'm wondering if it might be affected the same way. |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 172
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 09:18 am: |
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Some guys like the Redline MTL synthetic for easy shifting in the cold, there's a 75-80 and a 90. Their stuff is pricey but many people like it. |
Len Cater
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Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 72.138.89.77
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 12:05 am: |
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Sorry for the late reply. The Conquest tracks I picked up from RS Buldoc in Quebec. And I think he has a better track than the offical Argo one on the Avenger. We've snapped 5 of the plastic wheel guides off already this year after about 5 hours of riding. The tracks Buldoc builds up uses metal tire guides which take a beating. |
Alf Wieme
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Username: Peppi
Post Number: 16
Registered: 09-2006
Posted From: 207.195.1.6
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 05:16 pm: |
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Thanks for sharing the pictures of the Argo Fronter's new tires Brandon. They are very impressive.I will place them on my X-MAS wish list |
preston blake
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Username: Prestony889
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Registered: 11-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 09:28 pm: |
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Do you think the tires would Occasionally hit under the stress of the vehical driving, being that there so close together?? |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 174
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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I have tires and wheels that are an even tighter fit. Only issues are in certain consistency mud you can feel a little drag as they wipe against each other. Other issue is diameter affects gearing. There are 3 gear ratios your conquest could have, open the hood and look for 2 letters stamped on the top of trans. GU is low, MU is higher, H_? is highest. I have a low, G model so the taller tire was welcome. |
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