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Alf Wieme
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Username: Peppi
Post Number: 2
Registered: 09-2006
Posted From: 207.195.1.6
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 06:31 pm: | 
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I finally got out with my argo conquest to see what it can do and not do. It can do alot, goes places I would not have taken my Yamaha 600 Grizz through. But??? When I got back from our 4 hr trip I had a flat tire. No big deal as I know I hit a rock kinda hard. But when I looked at the unit the next day I had 4 additional flat tires to contend with. After taking them to a tire dealer for surgery they stated that mud had gotten in between the tire and rims on all of them. I ran the tires as it was suggested on another thread, front and back at 3.5 and the four centre ones at 5 lbs. Is this problem common? Any suggestions would be appriciated. |
Eddie L. Beddingfield
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Username: Argo2003
Post Number: 22
Registered: 08-2006
Posted From: 207.117.33.134
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 01:43 pm: |
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That should of been ample pressure to hold the tires to the rim.I have always run less than that and have only had wood or small rocks lodged in them(not enough to break the bead). Are your tires and wheels stock,I have had good luck with the 22" runamuks or 22" rawhide 3. I now have a bigfoot and have only unseated one bead when the pressure was at 1.5, I now run 2.0-2.5lbs in all tires.I would clean all the beads and tires, and reseat them only with a soap and water mix. Dont go overboard on the soap or you will have the residue in the bead and may cause a tire to push off the bead. Eddie |
liflod
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Username: Liflod
Post Number: 111
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 151.201.211.103
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 02:50 pm: |
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Another problem is running in ruts. If the rim is rubbing against the sides of truck ruts, it will push the mud into the bead. Just keep an eye on the route you take.
I have the same problem on my Max IV without K-rims. I cleaned all the tires and rims and used a very flexible industrial glue to hold the tires onto the rims. So far so good, but I run the tire pressure a little higher than I should and I avoid driving in ruts.
I have heard that this is a common problem on 8x8s. |
philip w.cox
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Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 227
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 216.208.194.170
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 05:00 pm: |
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I have also been running a bit more air in the 26 inchers on my Max iv since last winter when I had to run in frozen ruts towing a trailer. I wonder if our gauges are really accurate at less than 3 pounds? Anyway I haven't had a flat tire this year--touch wood.P |
Alf Wieme
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 06:30 pm: |
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I am unsure how to address each thread seperately as I'm a newbe. Eddie the argo has standard Runamuk 22" tires on it. If running the unit through ruts is causing me this problem then I'm up the creek so to speak. The forest I run in has hundreds of miles of cutlines from years of forestry activity. Quads have been using these trails for many years leaving ruts through out them. When conditions are dry you can see a path to avoid the ruts "or most of them anyway" put when the forest is wet (the reason for getting an amphipious unit) you can't see the ruts as they are submerged under the water. I have run quads through these same ruts wet and dry for years and have not experienced this before. Would a Quad tire have more resistance to mud jamming into the rims? Is the extra 600 lbs that the argo weights the reason quad can but argos can,t?  |
david berger
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Username: Davidrrrd
Post Number: 476
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 72.72.50.146
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 06:53 pm: |
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ALF, you know the 2.5 - 3 lbs psi ideas on tire preshure are also tied to rapid travel in that higher psi becomes uncomfortable with psi at 5 lbs, but your tires will keep sealed at 5 psi
so if you take it easy on the speed 5 psi might solve your problem. i used screws threw my rims to hold my tires tight to the rims, preventing the rims from spining inside the tires and probly keeping the dirt n mud out too.
i also used tubes in my tires once they had screws in one side of the rims so they stay inflated.
quades keep tire psi up, |
Eddie L. Beddingfield
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Username: Argo2003
Post Number: 24
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 08:21 pm: |
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Alf, If you keep having a problem,make sure the rim doesnt have a glossy finish , (Slick feeling) at the bead.You may need to rough up the paint to make tire grip wheel.You will always pick up a little trash in between rim and tire ,but it shouldnt unseat bead.If all else fails ,the Rawhide 3 is wider and will protect the rim moreso than the Runamuk. |
Alf Wieme
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 06:45 pm: |
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Thanks to all for their suggestions and comments. I think I"ll try Davids suggestion first by using a tire tube and screws. How many sheet metel screws and what length should they be David? Good tip on tire psi Eddie, I was wondering why axle and seal damage would occur if tire psi was to high. Good to know that if speed is reduced I can run at 5 psi safely without promoting damage to the unit. Has anyone tried Carlsile Stryker ATV tires. Tread patten is simular to Rawhide lll on the inside. They are 2ply and have a slightly wider footprint 22x11-8 than the Runamuks except for outside knobby? May even tread water? |
Alf Wieme
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 06:53 pm: |
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Sorry David, I mixed up your tip with Eddies. |
Mike Maroni
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Username: Micmac
Post Number: 67
Registered: 07-2005
Posted From: 162.84.111.49
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 09:16 pm: |
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Alf,
The reason that axle and wheel damage results, is that a higher psi results in more shock load to the hard drive train. This is due to our machines not having a suspention.
I have done the "Berger" mod and it has been the best thing I've done with the machine yet. The tires don't move on the rims and the tubes add an extra bit of protection. I've not had a tire problem in the 20 hrs of riding since I've done this. Losing beads on tires was a common occurence before it. This is similar to the beadlock wheels now being used by hardcore 4 x 4 jeeps etc..
I understand about having a good bead surface and no rust , no dirt etc.. but all of this will happen eventually and tires will come off the bead. Some people are hesitant to change anything from original and thats fine. I say if you can make it better then give it a try.
Mike |
Mike Maroni
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Username: Micmac
Post Number: 68
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 09:18 pm: |
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oh and I'm running about 2 psi on the tires |
Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 365
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 70.106.218.32
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 09:30 pm: |
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To answer your question about the Carlisle Strykers.
They don't swim. |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 141
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 70.234.107.243
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 07:31 am: |
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Alf, if you replace the tires, look at the new 23/24" Argo made tire on the Frontiers. I can't understand why you are having bead problems esp at such a high psi. Might be old tires with loose beads? |
david berger
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Post Number: 477
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 08:48 am: |
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alf the last time i did it with 10-16 x 1/2" self taping screws,
they may look like ther just pushing agenced the rubber at first but they get a bite on the tire, in time they work themselfes in.
look at your rims to decide wich side you will need to dismount in the future to maintain the tubes ect.. , no screws on this side, the side that would stay on the bead gets the screws, 8 of them. theres a pic on the route6x6 how too page i think, |
Alf Wieme
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 06:20 pm: |
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David, thanks for the info. I pre-driled and used stainless steel screws. Going hunting for whitetail this weekend so I'll be giving the argo a workout. Hope the tires hold up. Thanks to all for the good tips. |
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