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Mike
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I have been reading the posts on the registration issues in PA, NY and somewhere else under aatv marketing about registration issues in WI.
How about some input and insight on registration issues in the other states and Canada.
It would be interesting to compare state by state if aatv registration is required and if aatv's are being restricted in their use or flat out being ignored by state legislators.
How about it? Any legal beagles or other knowledgable readers out there that know their state registration laws or lack thereof?
From the recent posts:
PA - registration required
NY - registration required
WI - no registration required |
Henry Gresham
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In Arkansas, registration is required. One time (ie, lifetime) registration as an "ATV - motorcycle", and a separate registration (3 yrs) as a boat IF you intend to use it on public waterways. Then you're good to go anywhere that off road vehicles are permitted. Each land mgmt agency has different rules on their land. I get a lot of comments on my Max II, since it has both the boat and ATV registration. You know, "does it float", "how is it on trails", etc. |
ARGOGERU
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IN MICHIGAN YOU CANT GET THE SAME ANSWER FROM ANYBODY IN THE DNR. THEY ALL SAY DIFFERENT STUFF BUT YOU DO HAVE TO BE REGISTERED. THE BIG ISSUE IS WIDTH AND KNOWING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ATV TRAIL AND AN ATV ROUTE IN WHICH NOBODY SEEMS TO HAVE AN ANSWER. THE U.P. RIDERS THAT I TALK TO DONT SEEM TO HAVE THE PROBLEM US IN THE LOWER HAVE. |
Paul Leonard (Duk)
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Henry,
Funny I called the Arkansas Registation office, and they said I DIDNT need a registration as a boat, because it wasnt a boat. And that I did need the one time registration such as a four wheeler, but only if I am going to ride on govenment land. |
RICK
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HAS ANYONE REGESTERED THERE 6X6 IN OHIO FOR AN ATV STICKER? |
timl
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Are titles necessary for 6x6s in Wisconsin?
How about license? How are 6x6s licensed in WI as a ATV or as a boat?
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Tim |
Alan Harper
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Tim,
As a Coot owner in Wisconsin I'm not aware of any title/registration requirements. At least not as an ATV, maybe as a boat. Due to width and weight requirements it can't be used on state trails. Something like 42" wide and 450 lbs if I remember right, a lot smaller than my 60" and 1300 lbs. Needless to say, a lot of the newer ATV 4 wheelers don't meet the size/weight criteria either. Apparently 6 wheelers and Coots fall in the same catagory as farm equipment. Is legal anywhere farm equipment can go including roads as long as it has the red triangle on the back. Don't take this as gospel but it's the way I understand it after reading the state web page stuff.
Thanks,
Alan |
Jesse
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WI Licensing info-
According to the WDNR Permit application, there is a six dollar fee to register ATV for private use on private land, a twelve dollar fee to register for use on public land along with some other registration options. Follow this link
http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/caer/cs/rec.htm
The state also defines an "ATV" as follows:[s. 340.01 (2g), Wis Stats. "All terrain vehicle" means an engine driven device which has a net weight of 900 pounds or less, which has a width of 48 inches or less, which is equipped with a seat designed to be straddled by the operator and which is designed to travel on 3 or more low pressure tires.
I think most 6x6 and 8x8's are wider than 48 inches so they shouldn't qualify as an ATV per the registration requirements for ATV's in WI. And I sure as hell would have trouble straddling a bench seat. HOWEVER, they may fall under some other category that I haven't found yet.
How they can call one of those 4 wheelers "all terrain" when excluding swamps, marshes and anything that has water and/or 6+ inches of mud in the equation and not classify our 6x6 and 8x8's as all terrain vehicles when they fit the definition for most parts except the size requirement (which I understand is in force for trail use but it should not be used to limit the definition of an ATV) is beyond me. If you've lived in WI long enough you know the WDNR is sometimes a bit, shall we say "out of the loop".
Hope the link helps some. If you find any other info, please share it! |
Oliver
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NYS laws seem to be difficult to figure out. I've talked to DMV many times and usually get a different answer based on who I talk to. They normally say I have to register it as an ATV, but when I look at the definition of an ATV, my Buffalo truck doesn't qualify. 50 inches wide and 900 or less pounds doesn't describe my Max. Based on that, I can't register it as an ATV. This brings up the question, what do I register it as? Can I register it as a farm vehicle? I use it for managing woods and clearing, so that's not really a stretch. Any comments? |
JT Barleman
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Oliver
Welcome to the dog fight.
FYI: PA requirements are nearly identical to NY. (Hummm ... wonder where my PA legislators got their "brilliant" insight as to ATV legislation?)
Suggest you contact Ramona at the Humphrey NY Fire Department. I'm pretty sure she can probably answer most of your questions ... OR ... put you on the right trail to someone who can.
JT |
pete6x6
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I'm a bit worried about it myself. But, I can always go up to Jersey to petec's or something like that. But I'd like to ride here in Maryland. |
Oliver
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JT, Thanks for the tip. I'll contact her, do you have her phone number or email? I've just about given up on the DMV. Today's DMV: "Never the same answer twice!" |
Tim O'Keefe
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In Rhode Island, You have to register an atv even if you only use it on your property and you are not allowed to use it anywhere in the state. What a bunch of garbage. |
Scott Davis
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anyone know anything about Texas? |
Dave Johnston
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Consider getting registered as farm equipment. Many states have a very liberal definition and if it is registered as farm equipment, it is OK to drive it on the road in some cases.... |
Steven A. Makitra (Slammy)
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Well fellas, I've read all of your remarks and I have decided to attempt to reg. my MAX IV in NYS as a farm vehicle. I guess it will depend on who I talk with at the DMV, what day of the week it is,or maybe even what kind of mood the counterperson is in as to my eventual fate. I'll be back and I'll post the results asap....stay tuned peanut gallery-Slammy in NYS |
john hightree
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here in missouri our local dmv agent said i didnt need to registar our argo regardless of where we rode in mo. |
Dave Andreasen (Mndave)
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Here in Minnesota ATVs are defined as
"motorized, floatation-tired vehicles with at least 3, but no more than 6 low pressure tires, with an engine displacement of less than 800 cubic centimeters and total dry weight of less than 800 pounds." - MN Recreational Motor Vehicles Regulations 1999-2000.
Note that there is no width restriction.
I am pretty sure that a Max II and Max IV qualify as ATV's under that definition. I am not as familiar with the Argo models so I can't say if they do or don't qualify.
I have my Max IV registered as an ATV and as boat. The clerk was confused, but did it anyway. I could also have just slapped a slow moving vehicle triangle on it and called it farm equipment. But I didn't want to run afoul of the DNR.
Hope this helps.
Dave |
tvanwave
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Dave,
Do you know if the MAX with a track set would be allowd on snomobile trails - with the licsense of course.
Tim in Duluth MN |
Dave Andreasen (Mndave)
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Tim in Duluth,
According to Minnesota Statues section 84.81 subdivision 3, a snowmobile must be steered by skis or runners. I think that a tracked 6x6 or 8x8 flunks that definition. You can read it here (sorry about the long URL).
http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us:8181/SEARCH/BASIS/mnstat/public/www/DDW?W%3DTEXT+PH+IS+%27snowmobile%27+ORDER+BY+SORT_KEY/Ascend%26M%3D3%26K%3D84.81%26R%3DY%26U%3D1
You could always see what the local Conservation Officer says though. It can't hurt to ask.
Later,
Dave |
liflod (Liflod)
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Replace the laterals with old snowmobile skis!! |
Eugene Kochnieff
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Ha Ha Ha
Great one Liflod i'd just love to see the dumb bureaucrats try to argue your suggestion. |
E.J.
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Greetings from NY. I just got my 1981 Attex SuperChief registered in Canandaigua NY. During my first trip to the DMV,the local DMV called the DMV headquarters in Albany. They informed me that I would need a sheriff to verify the VIN number, a letter of ownership, which you can fill out yourself. (note: if you don't know where the previous owner is, don't panic. Tell them you have owned the machine for OVER two years, and have no way of contacting the previous owner)After jumping through alot of hoops, bottom line is in NY you will get an ATV and a boat registration.
3 year boat registration: $30
1 year ATV registration: $14.25
Driving off my trailer into Canandaigua Lake at the public boat launch while everyone is staring in disbelief: priceless
Time it would take to get to the south end of the lake with my current duel trolling moter set-up: about six months
I'm working on that last detail |
jim grant
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Lost title, no title, ? of every thing old looks new again..old max II
how can the guys that fix up old atvs get a title,
I live in florida and they have a vehicle title policy to ride on public lands..you must have old title or vehicle cir of origin with vin #
there aint no vin on this thing..any ideas..
Thanks jim |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max Dealer (Fred4dot)
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Just tell them it is homemade (made from parts of other machines). My guess is the sheriff (or some law enforcement official) will inspect it. If it doesn't turn up as a stolen vehicle, they will give you a title. |
roadwolf
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grant, the dot should provide you with a VIN if you don't have. ask them, it worked for me. |
Bonnie Rutkowski
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I live in the wonderful State of NJ (NOT) and have aquired a MaxII. How can i get it insured??
it seems that no one will insure it. Any help will be much appreciated .
Bonnie |
Kevin Watson (Kevin)
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Check with your outdoor angling and hunting organizations.
You will have to become a member but it might give you access to the insurance you need as well as other benefits. |
Russ Olszewski
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According to Max (Recreative Industries), Progressive Ins. knows what the product is & will insure it. |
Mike
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In Wisconsin an operator of an AATV who plans on operating it in the water should have it registered as a boat or face a stiff fine if caught without registration. The catch is that it is equipped with an engine that can propel it. It does not matter if the engine is running or not at the time it is in the water. A DNR warden recently told me that the Max and Argo machines cannot be operated on any state ATV trails because they are not ATV's as defined in State Statute and therefore they cannot be registered as an ATV in WI. They cannot be operated on a state snowmobile trail either again because they are not a snowmobile as defined in the statute and again, cannot be registered as a snowmobile. Wisconsin registration laws (read "tax" revenue) have completely overlooked AATV's as recreational machines. There are not enough of them in the state apparently. That is good because the less regulation, the better off the owner is. In WI, you are required to register an ATV (3-4 wheelers) and snowmobiles EVEN to operate them on your own property. If AATV's are ever required to be registered in WI, the same requirement will apply. I think private use on your own property should not be regulated with registration fees. |
MadCityKen
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Wisconsin ATV registration is not required on any vehicle over “48 inches in width” or that has “ a seat designed to be straddled”. A 6X6 doesn’t qualify as an ATV and DOES NOT and can’t be registered as an “ATV”. If you take your machine into “navigatable waters” i.e. you unload and drive it down a boat landing into the water, it must be registered as a boat and have hull numbers attached. Back waters, ponds, slough's, etc. are not considered navagatable in most circumstances. If you fall through the ice, or cross a stream that is considered “incidental contact” and you are not a boat. This is what I got from the horses (DNR’s) mouth. |
Douglas MacCullagh (Dougmac)
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I ran into an interesting problem in Mississippi. Anything that floats and uses mechanical propulsion must be registered as a boat. Since my AATV does not fit the form, I visited DMR and asked them how to fill out the form, and where to put the numbers. (My Argo does not have a bow where I can attach 2" numbers.) I was told that, because of the wheels, it is a vehicle not a vessel, even afloat, and cannot be registered. So far I have not had a chance to test that. I suspect that the ruling will depend on the officer I run into at the time! |
John Cahoon
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The following definitions are for the State of Maine. It appears that I would have to register an Argo 8 as both an ATV for general purposes and also as a snowmobile if I ventured on any snowmobile trail. And also as a boat?
Snowmobile. "Snowmobile" means any vehicle propelled by mechanical power that is primarily designed to travel over ice or snow supported in part by skis, belts or cleats. [1979, c. 420, § 1 (new).]
. Unlawfully operating an ATV on a snowmobile trail. A person is guilty of unlawfully operating a vehicle on a snowmobile trail if that person operates any 4-wheel drive vehicle, dune buggy, ATV, motorcycle or any other motor vehicle, other than a snowmobile and appurtenant equipment, at any time on snowmobile trails that are financed in whole or in part with funds from the Snowmobile Trail Fund, unless that use has been authorized by the landowner or the landowner's agent or unless the use is necessitated by an emergency involving safety of persons or property. [2001, c. 289, §1 (amd).]
All-terrain vehicle. "All-terrain vehicle" means a motor driven, off-road, recreational vehicle capable of cross-country travel on land, snow, ice, marsh, swampland or other natural terrain. It includes, but is not limited to, a multi-track, multi-wheel or low pressure tire vehicle; a motorcycle or related 2-wheel, 3-wheel or belt-driven vehicle; an amphibious machine; or other means of transportation deriving motive power from a source other than muscle or wind. For purposes of this subchapter, "all-terrain vehicle" does not include an automobile as defined in Title 29-A, section 101, subsection 7; an electric personal assistive mobility device as defined in Title 29-A, section 101, subsection 22-A; a truck as defined in Title 29-A, section 101, subsection 88; a snowmobile; an airmobile; a construction or logging vehicle used in performance of its common functions; a farm vehicle used for farming purposes; or a vehicle used exclusively for emergency, military, law enforcement or fire control purposes. [2001, c. 687, §1 (amd).]
Motorboat. "Motorboat" means any watercraft, including airmobiles, equipped with propulsion machinery of any type, whether or not the machinery is the principal source of propulsion, is permanently or temporarily attached, or is available for propulsion on the watercraft. [1979, c. 543, § 66 (amd).]
Are we confused yet? |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max Dealer (Fred4dot)
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John, Find out what department is responsible for enforcing those laws and go to the enforcement division and ask for a written opinion.
I would say you only have to register as an All Terrain Vehicle because it includes "amphibious vehicle" and states "capable of cross-country travel on land, snow, ice, marsh, swampland or other natural terrain.", You probably should have tracks mounted to be on a snowmobile trail. I do not think any amphibious vehicle is a water craft even though they will float and can go on water. I think a water craft is a machine made primarily to go on or in the water. That is like saying a human being is a water animal and they are not, we are land animals. |
John Cahoon
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Fred,
Here is the official E-Mail response from Maine's Dept. of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife, the agency responsible for snowmobile, atv, and boat registrations here in the State of Maine.
"Mr. Cahoon,
If you are going to use it in the winter with tracks, it needs to be
registered as a snowmobile. If using it in the summer on land, registered
as an ATV and if using in the summer in the water, registered as a boat.
If you have questions or need additional information, please feel free to
contact the Registration Division at 287-2043." |
John Cahoon
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As a follow up to the above post, the following are the fees for registration in the State of Maine:
Atv...$17.00 + agent fee of $1 or $2
Snowmobile...$31.00 + agent fee of $1 or $2
Boat...$6.00 + excise tax (10 hp or less)
$10.00 + " " (10 hp to 50 hp)
$15.00 + " " (50 hp + )
$10.00 Lake and River Protection Sticker
So an Argo Conquest would cost $71.00 for the first year plus the excise tax which varies on value. |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max Dealer (Fred4dot)
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John, you could very well be right, but you need to contact the enforcement division (should say in your state laws who is responsible for enforcement). It was the state title and registration bureau here who tried to tell me Max had to be registered as boats if they went in the water and OHV "off highway vehicles" when on land (didn't say anything about snowmobile, but I can tell they would have gone for that also). I went to the legal division of the Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks (FWP are the ones legislated to enforce OHV, boat and snowmobile laws.) Don't know about your state, but here, the use is based on "primarily designed for". If it has wheels, it is land, if it has a hull, it is a boat, if it has a drive belt/track and skis to turn with, it is a snowmobile. Snowmobiles are prohibited from going on water.
Maybe I am a little more independently minded than some, but when I think something is wrong, I go until I get it fixed or have my head bloodied from butting it against brick walls. When I first started selling the Max, I thought I had the bureaucrats lined out and I did for about eight years (personnel changes). This time I have it in writing on a Fish and Wildlife letterhead so if I have to fight again, it should be easier. I have learned that many people really don't know what they are talking about and when they are in government and working for me, I stick up for what I think is right.
Good luck if you decide to do battle. I feel pretty sure that Argo or Max would not want to defend our machines as boats. I am a licensed "Off Highway Vehicle" dealer - it takes a different license to sell boats. Also, here in Montana, only motor boats ten feet or longer need a decal and numbers and are required to pay a fee. |
Dave Johnston
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NEVADA. ARGO CONQUEST. 8-wheels. No, and I mean NO provision under Nevada law to register it as a snowmobile, ATV, AATV, or boat (unless you want to install red/green/running lights, life jackets, and all the boat required items). IF you own a farm, you can license it as FARM equipment. But on the flip side, the police in the more rural areas are nice guys. Unless you flat out are doing something dangerous, they are pretty understanding of the "odd ball machines." Go to neighboring California and you have to get an OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE (OHV) sticker for anything that moves off road, even if you are from out of state. We definitely are the orphans in the off road world. |
mike martindale (Wetsu)
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well boy's in kansas,if it is on land it is an atv,as soon as it hits the water,it is a boat.which means numbers,decals,lifejackets,and a fire extinguisher.and this is per K.D.W.P. kansas dept.of wildlife and parks.and the only reason is because it has a motor.and when i attach my trolling motor,it cost more.the upside to this is...i only have to pay it every 3 years.and it is only 30.00 dollars. |
David Johnston
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NEVADA. I got my ARGO registered as a boat. Did not take much in the way of equipment to do it. I hear a rumor that they want to license all ATVs. That would be a good idea in my book. If Nevada licensed IT's ATVs then it could charge a fee for OUT OF STATE machines also, like California does. If the funds were used to ENSURE we would have a place to ride, it would benefit us. Right now, the state has no vested interest in seeing there are trails to use and closing them down is easy and costs them nothing. |
Allan R. Collins
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In response to a similar question from a customer, I contacted the local offce of the Florida DMV who had no idea about registering the ARGO as a boat. (As a land vehicle, it's not rquired, by the way)
After much telephone and email corrspondence,DMV Tallahassee told me ther was no requirement to register the ARGO as a boat. I'm still waiting for the letter confirming this, however. |
mike martindale (Wetsu)
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allen,you might try fla.dept.of wildlife and parks.they may tell you something different.in kansas,as long as it is on land it is an atv,as soon as it goes in the water,it becomes a boat.this is according to K.D.W.P.and it must be registered as a boat. |
Allan R. Collins (Capnal)
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I quote from the Florida Department of Highway Safety letter dated June 12, 2003....
"According to Florida law we do not title or register any Amphibious All Terrain Vehicles."
Unequivocal statement, eh? |
Mike
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Any more states out there that DO Not require registrations of AATV's besides Wisconsin & Florida? |
scottlyon
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Require registration? Iowa won't let you register it as an atv. So I can't ride on the state trails!They say an atv has a seat that you stratle with handle bars. |
Jim Stiver - Western PA MAX Dealer (Viper)
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PA ATV Registration is as follows:
Class 1 ATV - A motorized off-highway vehicle, which travels on three or more inflatable tires and has a maximum width of 50 inches and a maximum dry weight of 800 pounds.
Class 2 ATV - A motorized off-highway vehicle, which travels on three or more inflatable tires and has a width which exceeds 50 inches or a dry weight which exceeds 800 pounds
In the state of PA a 6 or 8 wheeler is registered as a Class 2 ATV which limits the areas in which you can ride since most state trails are posted as Class 1 ATV trails only. I believe that this is one reason that our class of ATV is restricted to such a slow growth, because most states cater to 4 wheelers in regards to state trails. In many states we are limited to private land use, but those same states gladly accept our registration monies to develop new ATV trails in which we cannot use. GO FIGURE!!
Jim |
joe Jiamboi ( - 69.167.194.82)
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Found Great Web Site - Official Port Saint Lucie Web Site
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Rob Perry
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Argo Use on State Land (Michigan)
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The following addresses only Michigan's state regulations. To determine the regulations on federal properties, you should contact the appropriate federal agency with jurisdiction over the areas where you wish to operate.
An Argo is regulated as an Off-Road Recreation Vehicle (ORV) under Michigan law. In the Lower Peninsula, an ORV may only be operated in areas open to the public on designated routes, trails, or areas that are posted as open to ORVs. However, ORV trails are limited to vehicles that are less then 50 inches in width, so an Argo cannot be operated on designated ORV "Trails". An Argo can be operated on designated ORV "Routes" and Scramble Areas in the Lower Peninsula with a valid ORV license.
In the Upper Peninsula, ORVs in general may be operated on State Forest Roads that are not posted as closed. An Argo may be operated in the Upper Peninsula on State Forest Roads that are not posted as closed and on designated ORV Routes, but not on designated ORV Trails because they are restricted to vehicles less than 50 inches in width.
Cross-county travel by ORVs in areas open to the public is prohibited in both the Upper and Lower Peninsulas with very few exceptions (such as to retrieve a legally taken deer at minimal speed).
If an Argo is used as a vessel, it is also regulated under the Marine Safety statute. An Argo is required to be registered as a vessel if it is used on the water. If you do not use it on the water, it does not have to be registered as a vessel.
You may use an Argo for duck hunting, with certain restrictions. The Argo may not be driven down the bank of a river of stream and into the water. You may access surface waters at boat launches. You may not operate in a wetland or in a manner so as to create an erosive condition. While transporting a firearm, it must be unloaded in chamber and magazine, and enclosed in a case. And, of course, it must be registered as a vessel.
If your disabilities meet the qualifications, you are allowed certain privileges, but cannot operate cross-county to hunt.
Persons with disabilities are allowed to operate ORVs, including Argos, at places and times that would otherwise be closed. You are allowed to operate on state forest roads, including those not posted as open, and are exempt from the quiet hours during firearm deer season in November.
You are still required to have an ORV license on an Argo. An Argo is still not allowed on ATV trails, since only vehicles less than 50 inches in width are allowed on a designated ORV "Trail".
To meet the requirements you need one of the following: a valid temporary or permanent handicapper parking permit issued by the Michigan Department of State, a Permit to Hunt From a Standing Vehicle, or a completed Physician Certification ORV Privileges For Persons With A Disability form (Form # PR9137). |
chris welch (Argonut)
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I bought an Argo Bigfoot in 2/2004, when I went to register it in New York last week, I had a receipt from who I purchased it from and the title, I also had the owners manual with the first owners name and the dealer who sold it to him. They then informed me that I needed a "formal"receipt from ODG to the dealer, then one from the dealer to the first owner,then a form mv-51and a form-mv51b from the first owner to who I purchased it from, then I would need a form mv-51 from who I purchased it from to me. I bought the argo on E-bay and the guy who I bought it from is the dealers brother. I have tried to contact him with no reply this week I was thinking of calling his brother the dealer but have not done so yet. I would greatly appreciate any advice or ideas anyone has. thanks! |
maxfactor ( - 24.195.242.119)
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New York, sux for aatv's useage,and registering and such and they are made here,max's that is. Good luck!my name is jim welch any relation?I am by Albany. |
chris welch (Argonut)
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We used to live in Schenectady but I don't think we are related.I live in Endicott now. Well so far it looks like I'm not gonna register it. thanks |
Jerry
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Any information on Missouri regs? |
Missouri's Max Dealer (Brandon_price)
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Jerry where are you located in Missouri? I'm right in the middle of the state in Fulton. We are riding at Deepwater on December 4th if you have a 6x6 ATV. |
Steve McClain (Oftencranky) (148.78.243.26)
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I am trying to get an offroad permit for my newly acquired max in Idaho. The tag office and Parks & Rec people say they wont permit this type vehicle. Does anyone know which button to push to get the required offroad permits for the max in Idaho? |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max dealer (Fred4dot) (216.166.168.53)
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Steve, I'd suggest reading the state laws. Whatever department overseees public lands, should have an off road vehicle policy. It is an ATV and should be treated the same as a quad. Call the Governor's office. |
Ryan Boley (69.29.230.59)
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Anybody know anything about aatv's in Washington State? Everyone I talk to has never seen or heard of anything that will go on land and water too. |
scott karkos
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I just heard back from state of Utah and they said that the ATV would have to be registered as a boat to use it on water and would need to have navigation lights, spare propulsion, etc.... They then said that if this vehicle was intended to be used it water the company should have contacted the US Coast Guard to find out what needed to be on the ATV so it could be used in the water. |
Missouri's Max Dealer (Brandon Price)
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 01-2005
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I don't see why our AATVs would need all those extra things. I had a Sea-Doo jet ski that was exempt from a list of cost guard regulations, as stated on a label on the Doo. It had no lights or spare propulsion. Our AATVs are no different. The only problem with our vehicles is the fact that they are so rare. So few people know anything about them that regulations exclude them, without actually trying to exclude them.
In reguard to the company (RI, ODG) contacting the coast guard to check these regulations. These AATVs are built and intended for use on small private ponds. They are ATVs with the special ability to float, but it's not a boat. |
dennis saskowski (Unregistered Guest)
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some stupid reason i'm thinking snow,must be the heat.Anyway you can register a 6 wheeler in NY as as as snowmobile if it has tracks.register 1rst as a snowmobile if it's registered as a ATV the computer will kick it out because you can't use the same VIN because of the title program.(snowmobiles don't have titles).i have aletter from the DEC stating it's Ok to use my max on the trails as long as I follow snowmobile rules,3'' of snow on trail,helmet,insurance,16 sq. in. of reflectorisation,regisration and of course with my tracks on.it helps to have a rearview mirror because you can have a big line of snowmobilers behind you,don't forget your only going about 15-20mph. |
Anonymous
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Missouri has an ATV registration, I can't find any statute that allows it though, and without a statute there cannot be any fee.
An ATV is described in various statutes as being less than 50 inches wide, weighing less than 1/2 ton, operator sits straddle the seat, steers with handlebars, displaces (engine) less than 600 cc's. Few if any AATVs are ATVs in Missouri.
There is one statute that qualifies my Max IV as an ATV (but only for operation). It states that no ATV may be operated in any stream or river. So I inquired about registering it as a boat, this suited them, but I was told I couldn't beach it or allow it to run aground. I asked for the statute that made it a violation of law to beach a boat or to run it aground. Since then I've heard nothing (about a month or six weeks).
There is a category of vehicle in Missouri law defined as "amphibious", but it must carry at least eight passengers.
AATVs don't seem to legally exist in Missouri. If I register as a boat, then it becomes a "class A" vessel--and nothing else as there is no other possible legal description of a Max 900T in statutes. |
Douglas MacCullagh
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In Mississippi, I got so confused about the conflicting answers I kept getting I wrote to my state senator for help. I now have a letter from the Capitol legal office, on their letterhead, that states I do not have to register my Argo, no matter where I use it. The only way we can get some of these legal issues cleared up is if we can get our state officials interested. That may mean arranging to give a legislator a ride! |
Dennis F.Saskowski (Unregistered Guest)
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Good going Doug,you tried to get registered,but your D.M.V.didn't have the means.If we don't register we won't exist.I would carry that letter in your machine to show local law enforcement if req'd.I carry N.Y.S.DMV's pamphlet describing a ATV with the exclusion of vehicles propelled by an endless belt plus my letter from the D.E.C. OK ing a max with tracs on a snowmobile trail when i run in the winter.Does anybody remember what their M.S.O.'s read when they registered for the first time?...ATV or AATV.How 'bout it ARGO or R.I. would it be a help or a hindrance to put AATV on a M.S.O.? plus if a customer bought the track kit could AATV/SNOWMOBILE BE PUT ON THE m.s.o.?I talked to a quad dealer in Onieda county central NY.he offered a trac kit for his quad's,the only reason his customers couldn't register them as snowmobiles is because the M.S.O.'s stated ATV.I was luckier in western NY. I just told them to read their own pamphlet,I'm propelled by endless belts!It might be easier to get a person from DMV to go for a ride they are the front line,they can make or break your day. |
mike abbey
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Registered: 07-2005
Posted From: 67.174.128.16
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you know indiana is probly the slowest state to issue an aatv registration,you have get a form fill it out mail it to the dnr.it says you should get your registration in about 11 working days.HA!six weeks later i got a letter from the dnr stating they needed a bill of sale for any thing newer than 2004, its a 1971 starcraft.so i sent fotos of the junked starcraft i purchased for $50 the before and after pics.hopfully i will get my registration before 6 more weeks pass.its a requirement in indiana to ride at state parks and some counties on the county roads.the dnr is so dam inificiant at this they should just turn over to the dmv so i can go in pay and come out with the registration. |
Larry Wright
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 69.208.94.242
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Dont it just make you mad. I have a question on getting a watercraft sticker in Michigan on a 8ft row boat. I went to the mdnr website and found that I didnt but if I wanted to volantarily get one they would take my money. And then I read a similar question in the faq section that said I did. You have to go through so much crap just to find the laws on simple stuff.
Anyways could you post some pictures of your '71 starcraft. Thanks Larry |
mike abbey
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Posted From: 67.174.128.16
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what realy pisses me off is it used to cost $10 for a three year tag.now its $30 and the service is as poor as it can get.i know a couple guys registered there snow mobiles early winter they got to ride 1 time before the snow melted.i just wish they would turn it over to the dmv the dnr is out of reach for most people i know where the dmv is i coulnd tell you where the dnr local is. |
Dennis F.Saskowski (Unregistered Guest)
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$30 for 3yrs.!In new york it's $15 for 1 yr. and all you get is a plate and a sticker,now you can legally ride on state trails,but there ain't none in western NY.In central NY there are trails but you have to join a 50 trail club,for $50 you get a permit,cd (maps)and I.D.#good for 1yr.I like PA's deal your reg. fee goes in part to maintain trails.I think if we could follow the long hard road snowmoilers had to go to get their trail systems going to what they have today,we would be OK but fisrt we have to register to be counted if we can (state dependant).What will we do if states regs. start classifying 6x6 as O.H.V.'s you think there isn't enough atv tails now ,when was the last time you saw a O.H.V. trail? |
mike abbey
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Posted From: 67.174.128.16
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i would gladly pay more for,but i would like it in a fair amount of time.indiana only has redbird trails i belive as far as state riding area.then theres haspin and bad lands for private ownwd.now some countys allow registered atv on county roads sadly few are in northern indiana,indiana rule book sounds great but reality you will get ticketed then have to prove the law to the judge |
Brett Bonner
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Posted From: 70.60.93.210
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All Max'es and Argo's meet the federal definition for a powered boat. If you look at Rob Perry's note, you have an excellent summary.
In Tennessee, MS, and AR, if you have it in water, it must be registerd as a boat. In all Federal waters, it must be registered as a boat. You need appropriate equipment and if operated at night, appropriate lighting. My gun is the paddle. Due to the maxes length, I think you just need throwables for each person, but in any cold water, we take and wear life jackets anyway.
If you operate it on land, and if your state has an ATV or ORV registeration, you had best have it registered for that. On land, Corp of Engineer lands here require you to have a helmet. My helmet doubles as a bailer, although my Max has a bildge pump.
I am lucky in that the boat registeration has all I need. Registering it as a boat has advantages. As long as there is standing water covering the land, I can duck hunt were ATV's are not allowed. In these areas, I launch at boat ramps and run in the standing water on the ground. I stay out of rivers when possible.
I have been stopped before by various officers. I explain that it is no different from a boat with paddle wheels. I have not been ticketed and usually not bothered. Once I did get into a real heated discussion and had to say "Please ticket me and I will just embarrass you in front of the Judge otherwise leave me alone NOW!" I was left alone.
Now if I come to dry land and need to cross, I better get out and push. I have had officers surreptiously observe me doing just that, and then come by and explain they were ready to ticket me if I did otherwise.
I am not saying you will be ticketed if you operate in water without registeration. I am not saying you will not beat that in court. I am saying that I looked at the regulations, wrote the appropriate enforcement officials, received more than a few responses back, and the reasonalbe result was:
1. If operating on land, boating registration, safety equipment, and appropriate operation is required.
2. If operating on land, appropriate registration as required for ORV, safety equipment, and operation is required.
3. Be cautions of transitional operation. If ATV's are not allowed in an area but boats are, you better be pushing the vehical when on dry land. |
Larry Wright
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 69.208.94.242
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Pushing can be tough. Somebody should come up with a quiet electric motor to assist your pushing. That would still be illegal but put the switch in the back and act like you are pushing it. Or have it just strong enough to help you push but cant propell itself. That might be legal. |
mike abbey
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 07-2005
Posted From: 67.174.128.16
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in indiana i ask a conservation officer about multiple registrations he told me here it only needs the atv tag,it is what it says a all terain vehicle.where its unclear is where you can legaly ride i mean the rule book is pretty plain.it sound like you could ride any where but a limited access hi way.you can ride down any road that has extra lane on right side that would permite operation with out running over private property.ditch running is not permitted as those drains need to be prperly maintained.on the indiana dnr site they give a map listing countys you can ride on county roads.if you ask a cop he will have to contact a dnr person to figure out if your breaking the law |
Ken W. (Unregistered Guest)
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Wisconsin will not let you register an AATV for use on the state trail system. 48” width or less and “ a seat that can be straddled” are the definitions of an ATV in Wisconsin. Without a state sticker you can’t be on state trails. I was told by my AATV dealer that the Japanese big three ATV manufactures gave 5 million to one of our state legislators to re-write and include those definitions in the state law. This also cuts out Bombard machines from Canada as I believe they are wider than 48”. As far as boat registration, that is required on an AATV if it is operated on “ navigatable waters”
I am disabled and can’t ride a machine with a straddled seat. I would like to pursue the legal fight on the basis of disability discrimination but I don’t know where to start? I do get a special use permit every fall for hunting from my AATV on state lands, so the rest of their reasoning doesn’t make sense.
Anyone have experience with fighting existing ATV laws?
Ken-Madison Wisconsin |
Bill Straub (Unregistered Guest)
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Ken, I don't believe that $5 million story. Most ATV manufacturers have utility-type vehicles that don't meet the definition of an ATV in our state. I doubt they'd shoot themselves in the foot by lobbying to keep vehicles wider than 48" out of the ATV classification. This issue comes back to or fine state of WI and it's all-too-powerful DNR. I imagine that when they adopted the requirements, the fear was that Jeeps and other 4x4's would ride the trails and ruin them for everyone else. As for changing the laws, I am at a loss. I've been through similar issues with our DNR, county, state and local government and it always deteriorates into a big circle jerk with each agency blaming the other. Once something is enacted, it becomes written in stone. It might involve work by folks in government to change it.
You are right that some ATV's are wider than 48" and there are some with 2-up seating. They will all get registered though as they look like conventional ATV's. If you're really interested in getting the requirements changed, I'd start with your state representative and our illustrious Governor. |
mike abbey
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 07-2005
Posted From: 67.174.128.16
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just to finnish my story on the registration crap i went thru.my check to the dnr was dated may31 05 they recieced my payment and paperwork june 1 05 6weeks later i got every thing back rejected .they wanted a bill of sale,my reply in righting was i didnt have one the machine was purchased as salvage and it was purchased before 2004,sent before and after photos along with purchase date [spring of 2000] i returned every thing to them via mail,4 weeks later i got anouther rejection,they want the purchase date on the paperwork.well i cant hardly read without my specks so i studied the document top to bottom,there was no place to put this info.by now i am getting realy discussted ,so i wrote it in between two other lines of info thene on the rejection slip i informed them there was no place on the form for the dam date of purchase,and my opinion of the dnr .i also returned this in the mail ,thene i wrote a e-mail to the directer of the dnr and to to govener of indiana,sugesting instead of cutting jobs from the bmv mybe it would be better to let them do the atv registration as well they do the job much better.well you know 2 wks later to my suprise i got a phone call from the dnr no appology but the want to inform me the registration was in the mail.sometimes we just got to do a little bitchin or the sugesting removal of cushey gov jobs to some people offthere ass. |
Andy Feest (Unregistered Guest)
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Ken in Madison Wi is on the money for Wi. I live in Madison - and only have a couple acres to ride on - so i'm very well versed in WI laws. Also own both 6 and 4 wheelers. WI registers my 6 wheeler as a BOAT NOT an ATV. It is NOT allowed on state trails or state properites. I can, however, have it on any navigable water way any time of year. additionally, Dane county WI requires FLOAT permits on anything operated on the ICE in winter. While the state considers the argo a boat - the county still requires a float inspection and $15? permit to validate the "floats" on the 6 wheeler (state vs. county regulation). The ONLY public trail in WI where it is legal to use the ARGO is the tri-county trail a.k.a Cheeseland Trail.
http://www.tricountytrails.com/
From what i can find - this is the only non-private trail that is NOT managed/controlled by the state. It is defined as a mult-use trail (horses, ATV, AATV, 2-wheelers, etc. There are some sections that don't allow 2 wheelers tho. |
Chad (Unregistered Guest)
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I have checked with the Wisconsin DNR on AATV usage a few years ago and they mentioned the following: They cannot be used on state trails, if used in the water they must be registered as a boat, and they could be used on any "frozen water" without registration of any kind because they were considered an "Other" vehicle. I kept that email on me when Ice fishing and never had a problem when stopped. Not sure if things have changed since but this was 2 years ago |
dan hirst
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Registered: 02-2006
Posted From: 70.101.117.241
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fyi, i just registered my 2000 maxII as an atv and as a boat with little to no difficulty here in new york state. the only glitch was dmv wanted two copies of the tax form signed by previous owner. (i only had one with me). other than that, pay the registration fees and have a nice day. |
Dennis F. Saskowski
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 07-2005
Posted From: 24.55.175.143
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Congratulations Dan on that dual registration.My max is registered as a ATV and snowmobile in NY.My advice to you is keep all your old registrations because sooner or later the computers that D.M.V.has will question why thier are vehicle(S) out there with two registrations with the same V.I.N.#.I GET A LETTER FROM D.M.V. every so often,show them the old org. reg .stubs and everything is ok until the next year if the the computer kicks it out.D.M.V.says once in a while the computer runs a check automaticaly and flags the issue.NY never turns down extra money. |
purplepigdch (Unregistered Guest)
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they already told me if i put tracks on it i have to register as sled too! they love thier fees thats for sure! |
Emil Phiban (Unregistered Guest)
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dennis, I have a MAX IV_900T and snowmobiles. After riding the sleds a couple weeks ago around Springville, NY. Ashford, NY and East Oto, ny, I purchased a trail map at a local watering hole. On the back of the map it said anyone using "track over wheel vehicles" on snowmobile trails will be ticketed and vehicle put in the impound. I know that according to NYS's classification for an ATV says it must have tires and a snowmobile has " endless belt track". I just do not want the ignorance of some snowmobile club cause you a problem when you are riding.
The tracks are the only option I do not have. My machine does have bearing cages on it. It's just that the tracks are pricey. I was going to make my own and actually have a full set of the RI style track guides. It;s just that the rubber and extra wheels and tires cost so much.
I always felt that it would be a blast cruising around the Southern Teir with a couple friends in a IV with tracks on the snowmobile trails.  |
Dennis F. Saskowski
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 07-2005
Posted From: 63.162.139.19
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Emil,thanks for the heads up.I'll look into the matter,is it a snowmobile club that puts out the warning?I have a letter from the DEC stating it's OK to be on the trails dated 2000.I ride in Alden,Lancaster,Allegheny county.It's funny I had a co-worker who belongs to club out that way who was interested in a max with tracks to replace their antiquated grooming machine.Their tracked machine is not registered and the operator doesn't wear a helmet I wonder if it's insured?If you could post a name I could call to talk to some one who distributed that map so I could clear things up ,find out if rules changed etc.There is concern they might have with 6x6's with tracks,folks might go on the trails with less than 3'' of snow or unfavorable conditions to conventional snowmobiles thus ruining the trails.I'm sure all snowmobilers only go as fast near houses just enough to propell the sled,don't make moguls,don't modify the exhaust system,stay off railroad beds and all belong to a club.The only reason I'm registered only for any issues ice fishing ,winter camping or taking a short putt with 4 people to dinner with out dressing up in heavy clothes and boots.We get nothing for our atv reg.,but snowmobile reg. fee's go in part to those clubs ,which will soon be mandatory to belong to a club or pay around $100.00 to be registered.I don't see reading anything in any paper or snowmobile magazine about 10 deranged 6x6'ers with tracks tear up trail in springville.WERE JUST NOT CONVENTIONAL THATS ALL!!!!!!!! |
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